Question One
At the BBQ, Josie and Christina speak separately with Michael, Josie's new found father. He says to Christina; about Josie, that "I don't want her" (p. 65) yet shifts his perspective, later stating that "It's too late. Seventeen year-olds don't need fathers" (p. 66). To this, Christina replies "Oh God, Michael. I'm thirty-four years old and I need a father" (p.66).
What does this say about Michael's role as a father? Is he typical or atypical of what we would classify as the stereotypical father?
Answer with reference to the text, and (if applicable and appropriate) anecdotally from your own experiences and relationship with your father/s.
Question Two
Nonna speaks of the changes in the parent/child relationships over the years; stating that "Oh Jozzie, tings these days are so bad because you can get away with anyting. But tings those days were so bad because you got away wit nuting" (p. 75).
How is this applicable to your own life? Compare and contrast your parents' disciplinary actions with that of your grandparents. How are they the same? How are they different?
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1.The questions asking us about Josie new father(Michael)which he doesn't want Josie he just wants Josie mother.Michael seems like he doesn't want a daughter to be part of his life but would like a partner.This make Michael a very typical step father.Stereotypes of Step fathers usually don't care about rest of the family besides the mother.Michael has a perceptive of not wanting Josie at all and doesn't really care.
ReplyDelete2.The phrase Nonna reflects on me how I can avoid get into the army and back in thoese days you were forced to join the army.Thats one thing that you can get away in life.My life can be getting away with war,hard labor and being able to have entertain and doing anything.Back then war was a huge problem and people had to escape as in Australia like Nonna did in the book of "Looking for Alibrandi.Hard labor was also back then was to earn money or to help out your parents,now children don't even do hard labor in Australia as back in the days.Entertain was also not around like nowadays everyone has I pods,Computers and TVs.My grandparents had to escape Vietnam unlike me having a good luxury life in Australia and not worried about work at a young age unlike my grandparents.My grandparents are like what Nonna said as in ,"You cant get away with nutting".As Nonna said I can "get away with anything".My grandparents and I have nothing in common when were young.Life is very different from now to then as Nonna said.
ReplyDelete1) Michael’s role as a father is very complicated, he never knew he had a daughter when he was moving to Adelaide and Josie doesn’t even want him around even though she complains of being illegitimate. I would be very confused if I was Michael because even if I wanted to act like a father to Josie, Josie wouldn’t want me around. So I guess Michael isn’t the stereotypical father because some kids who haven’t known who their father’s were would like to try to build a relationship with them. Josie is the opposite of this but will most probably want to build a relationship with him later on in the book.
ReplyDelete2) Nonna says "Oh Jozzie, tings these days are so bad because you can get away with anyting. But tings those days were so bad because you got away wit nuting. Nonna is right because we as kids get away with things that we wouldn’t get away with back in the day. My parents always say “you have things that I never had growing up, but you take these things for granted”. I do things that I know I wouldn’t get away if I grew up the same way my parents did. I guess it’s because I didn’t experience the same things they did. I know that the way I was brought up was WAY different than the way my parents were brought up. Everything was different for them like technology, government and education (because they got hit for doing the wrong things). The way life is for me right now will probably be heaps different compared to my kids or the kids of the future.
Q1. Michael not wanting Josie tells us that he wasn't ready to be a father. He feels as if he's not the 'father material'. He is a typical stereotypical father since he proclaimed that 'seventeen year-olds don't need fathers'. Michael says this because he feels that he has a lot of catching up to do with Josie.
ReplyDeleteQ2. 'Things these days are so bad because you can get away with everthing'. This does appy to me and ALOT more people, but we can't get away with everything. Sometimes people get caught and they are usually called 'criminals'. I don't apply to that level. I am what they call 'sneaky'.
One time, I borrowed a game off a friend. Then the day came when I had to return the game. My friend then forgot to ask for the game to be returned. A few days after that, my mum found the game and realises that she had never bought the game for me before. Then I had to explain and we had to return the game. She took my gaming console off me for 2 weeks.
If it was my grandma, she would've gotten a belt and whacked me with it 'a few' times. I can't defend myself from my grandma cause she's old and I might hurt her. My mum can't be bothered to hit me anymore because she's done it so many times to me when I was younger. My grandma always tell me that back then, they had to do what they're parent tell them or they don't get to eat for the next meal of the day.
1) Michael is of course a atypical father because he would rather forget about his daughter and have her out of his life. Though this is not unforgivable as it must be quite a shock to suddenly find a child in your life and he would need time to think the situation over.
ReplyDelete2)The meaning behind the qoute "Oh Jozzie, tings these days are so bad because you can get away with anyting. But tings those days were so bad because you got away wit nuting" is most definitely true throughout all generations.
There are so many examples of things that were once frowned upon, now showing up everywhere we go. Whether it be clothing to langauge all the way to marriage and relationships, the world has gone from respectable to "in some ways" disgraceful. Though all is not lost as what have come with the generation, the previous would have never imagined. There is oppurtunity in business, technology and an gargantuan improvement in the rights of women people of different colour skin.
Time will only tell if things will get worse (yea it is...) though i guess that my life is much better then that of my paretns because i cannot imagine living in poverty as they did. Over in australia i have all that i need and even more! The luxury of it all, while my parents use to live on a farm, trying desperately to survive. Discipline was, to be expected, a bit extreme. Parents would smack their children or make them sleep out with the dogs if they went out of line. Of course in the end everyone loved each other but i just wish that no one has to live a life of hardships.
What does this say about Michael's role as a father? Is he typical or atypical of what we would classify as the stereotypical father?
ReplyDeleteThis says as a father he feels it’s too late to have anything to do with Josie. He doesn’t have a very strong role as a father but becomes more like a father throughout the story. He was never around as Josie was growing up which doesn’t make him the typical father, leaving when Christina was pregnant and never having raised Josie. But like any normal father he does care about his daughter and wants to have a role in her life.
How is this applicable to your own life? Compare and contrast your parents' disciplinary actions with that of your grandparents. How are they the same? How are they different?
There is a definite difference in the way I was raised and the way my parents were raised. My dad has always told me how he was raised in a very tough household which was the same with my mother because of this they have become less strict with how they raise me. Some of how my parents were raised has affected how they have raised me. My parents can be strict at time when it comes to what I can and can’t do, they’ve instilled in me the idea that you get nothing in life for free and everything requires work, and like their parents before them they want me to be successful one day. There are many similarities between the way I’ve been raised and with the way my parents were raised but as times have changed so will the way children are raised.
1) The quotes on page 65 and 66 show that Michael’s role as a father is very unusual because when Christina got pregnant, Michael abandoned her and moved to Adelaide with his family. Now Michael has come back 17 years later and his harassed about spending time with his daughter but the complication of the matter is that Josie does not want anything to do with her father Michael either. Michael tells Christina “I do not want a complication in my life”, Christina responds and tells him “Don’t you dare call my daughter a complication”. Michael sees Josie as a complication which will never make him a typical father because a father’s role is to be there for their kids.
ReplyDelete2) Nonna speaks of the changes in the parent child relationship over the years stating that “Oh Jozzie, tings these days are so bad because you can get away with anything. But tings those days were so bad because you got away wit nuting”. This statement made by nonna I agree with to an extent because Nonna is right where she says we now can get away with more things but when nonna says that back then she got away with nothing. It really makes you think how much things have changed in about 50 years, I personally think that probably back then kids could get away with things but the discipline has become less harsh. Back then teachers had the right to hit you if you do something wrong, now even the thought of a teacher touching you can make them lose their job and the student will most likely hit them back. The disciplinary actions of my grandparents compared to my parents are different because my parents I see them every day and my grandparents I see them once or twice a week.
1). Michael not a typical father and that’s for sure. He doesn’t want Josie and this is because he isn’t 100% ready to take on such a large responsibility. He feels unworthy to be such an enormous part of a teenager’s life. Michael says she doesn’t need a father because the important and crucial stages of her life were fatherless and he thinks that any time past this point with a father would be irrelevant. The damage has been done. But this is not the case. Any father is better than no father.
ReplyDelete2). 'Things these days are so bad because you can get away with everything'. In some cases this is true and in some cases this is false. Personally I think that Nona is trying to say that our parents sacrificed so much for us when we were growing up and now kids of our generation take a lot for granted. The 2 generations grew up in different times of living and in my case different countries and cultures of living. In my case I had long hair for a long stage of time recently cutting it short. All my older relatives gave me dirty looks and made nasty comments. My grandfather told my mum “how come you let him grow his hair and put it on his face? My mum simply replied “it’s the style dad, what can I do”. My mum used to tell me stories about how when she was at school. If a boy had long hair he would get the cane and then they would cut his hair how they suited. Time have changed in the past years and they will continue to change in the coming years. That’s life.
1. Michael is a typical father because deep down I think he really does care for Josie even though he says that he doesn’t. I think the reason he says this is because he feels scared that Josie will not want need or want him to be her father. However Josie does want him as her father and she probably thinks that he really cares too because in life my father and everybody else’s would do anything for their kid. Michael’s situation is also pretty complicated due to the fact he didn’t know he had a daughter until recently.
ReplyDelete2. When Nonna says "Oh Jozzie, tings these days are so bad because you can get away with anyting. But tings those days were so bad because you got away wit nuting" she is quite right because where she was born in those days people were probably more frightened of their parents because they had to respect them so much and were punished a lot. However these days grow up different because of new things such as technology and fashion and so have different views on things with their grandparents and parents. Sometimes my parents and grandparents have different views on things but most of the time they agree as they were all grown up the same way and in the same country. If the kids of today have kids in the future they would most likely be different to us as new things are innovated and things that were normal to us today will be completely different to them.
1. At the barbeque when Josie and Christina talk to Michael separately and Michaels says that "It's too late. Seventeen year-olds don't need fathers". This shows that Michael is an atypical family because as any father would do is want to get in to their child’s lives no matter how old the child is. I can back this up with my own experiences with my father because he always goes out of his away to e able to include himself in his life and this shows how much he really cares for me.
ReplyDelete2. When nonna speaks about the changes of parent/child relationships over the years and states "Oh Jozzie, tings these days are so bad because you can get away with anyting. But tings those days were so bad because you got away wit nuting". This relates to my life because my parents are not too strict when it comes to me going out but with my grandparents when I stayed with them for a week they wouldn’t let me go anywhere and were strict on everything I do.
1 - The quotes on page65 and 66 shows that Michael is a atypical father because he would rather forget about his daughter and have her out of his life.
ReplyDelete2.When nonna speaks about the changes of parent/child relationships over the years and states "Oh Jozzie, tings these days are so bad because you can get away with anyting. But tings those days were so bad because you got away wit nuting".Nonna is right because we as kids get away with things that we wouldn’t get away with back in the days. Though i guess that ny life is much better than my parents i cannot imagine living in poverty. My parents were hit with a belt when doing the wrong or not listening whilst i dont get hit that quickly. My dad has always told me how he was raised in a very tough household which was the same with my mother because of this they have become less strict with how they raise me. Some of how my parents were raised has affected how they have raised me.
At the BBQ, Josie and Christina speak separately with Michael, Josie's new found father. He says to Christina; about Josie, that "I don't want her" (p. 65) yet shifts his perspective, later stating that "It's too late. Seventeen year-olds don't need fathers" (p. 66). To this, Christina replies "Oh God, Michael. I'm thirty-four years old and I need a father" (p.66).
ReplyDeleteWhat does this say about Michael's role as a father? Is he typical or atypical of what we would classify as the stereotypical father?
1. This tells us that Michael is not ready to take care of a child/ teenager because he feels he is not ready, Michael is an atypical stereotypical father because 17 year olds are classified as teenagers, teenagers don’t really need much taking of, especially someone the age of 17, Josie is old enough to take care of herself, I do not blame Michael of not being able to take care of her since she has not seen her grow.
Answer with reference to the text, and (if applicable and appropriate) anecdotally from your own experiences and relationship with your father/s.
Question Two
Nonna speaks of the changes in the parent/child relationships over the years; stating that "Oh Jozzie, tings these days are so bad because you can get away with anyting. But tings those days were so bad because you got away wit nuting" (p. 75).
How is this applicable to your own life? Compare and contrast your parents' disciplinary actions with that of your grandparents. How are they the same? How are they different?
2.I think Nonnas statement is true since it runs through generations, kids these days are more ‘spoilt’ than before because they get most of the things they want. My parents make decisions for me that I am happy with , I will probably run it the same way that my parents do it now since there is discipline. My dad always told me that when he was my age he didn’t have the facilities/freedom I had today, so my parents run the same way their parents ran their life, I do sometimes get frustrated because I do not agree with certain regulations in our house but I’m happy with what I have. There is only a little difference between the way my parents raised me and the way their parents raised them but the discipline side has always stayed the same.
At the BBQ, Josie and Christina speak separately with Michael, Josie's new found father. He says to Christina; about Josie, that "I don't want her" (p. 65) yet shifts his perspective, later stating that "It's too late. Seventeen year-olds don't need fathers" (p. 66). To this, Christina replies "Oh God, Michael. I'm thirty-four years old and I need a father" (p.66).
ReplyDeleteThis shows that Michael knows nothing about being a father, and shows us that Michael is quite ridiculous not wanting Josie as a daughter before knowing her. He is a atypical to a stereotypical father because what father would not want a daughter or son.
Nonna speaks of the changes in the parent/child relationships over the years; stating that "Oh Jozzie, tings these days are so bad because you can get away with anyting. But tings those days were so bad because you got away wit nuting" (p. 75).
This is applicable in my own life because when I was young I did not need to make decisions, but as you get older and smarter. There are decisions you can make sometimes wrong, sometimes good and you may not get caught for the bad deeds.
1) What the quote says about Michael's role as a father is that he is not a 'father type' meaning that he has no qualities of a care giver and that he is not capable. This is atypical of what we would classify as a "stereotypical father due to his responses to his daughter and her mother, stating that he doesn't want her in his life. "It's too late. Seventeen year-olds don't need fathers" He is wrong, as in my opinion seventeen year olds do need father because it is the mental standard issue of growing up that affects everyone aswell as Josie going through that phase.
ReplyDelete2) How is this applicable to your own life? Compare and contrast your parents' disciplinary actions with that of your grandparents. How are they the same? How are they different?
The prior statement aboibe is applicable to my own life because it shows how parents, grandparents, and other older guardians had to work hard to get a good life and sacrifice many things just to live life and get nothing beneficial, Now it is stating that they live bad lives because they get what they want and too much of it giving a negative affect. My parent disciplinary is the same as my grandparents however is different to me because of me being brought up in a different country and once used to the living style is adopted making our discipiline similar but not very strict e.g. attitude, behaviour, adequacy etc...
Q1) The quotes on page 65 & 66 refer to Michael as an atypical father because he is rejecting Josie as his daughter and wants nothing to do with her as he says "I do not want to see her. I do not want to love her. I do not want a complication in my life."
ReplyDeleteQ2) Nonna speaks of the changes in the parent child relationship over the years stating that “Oh Jozzie, tings these days are so bad because you can get away with anything. But tings those days were so bad because you got away wit nuting”. I strongly agree with Nonna's statement because it really shows you how much has changes i the past 50 years or so. My family's personal experiences with dicipline is; my father and mother would have been hit by the cane by their own teachers, my grandparents experiences would be rather similar as my mother has told me (very disturbing stuff in Macedonian schools). As you can see the diciplinary actions that have been taking over time have changed dramatically.
Personally I feel that Michael isn't a typical stepfather, he doesn't even care about Josie and treats her as if she is the scum of the Earth. I don't really know if this is stereotypical as I haven't experienced a stepfather relationship.
ReplyDeleteDisciplinary actions from our grandparents to our parents have changed ALOT in the space of a generation. From personal experiences my grandparents were really strict towards my parents, they expected a lot from their kids at school and when they came home they were expected to clean and such. They weren't spoilt and kids took alot of the smaller things we have nowadays for granted. Although nowadays parents seem to give their child a bit more space than back than I still feel as if parents are strict, well at least my parents anyways. We don't have the freedom to do what we want, when we want but we definitely have more space than back than. I feel that everyone in this generation people should take more things for granted and appreciate there parents so much.
1) At the BBQ, Josie and Christina speak separately with Michael, Josie's new found father. He says to Christina; about Josie, that "I don't want her" (p. 65) yet shifts his perspective, later stating that "It's too late. Seventeen year-olds don't need fathers" (p. 66). To this, Christina replies "Oh God, Michael. I'm thirty-four years old and I need a father" (p.66).
ReplyDeleteWhat does this say about Michael's role as a father? Is he typical or atypical of what we would classify as the stereotypical father?
This shows that Michael is a typical step father because usually most step fathers don’t love and care for a child that isn’t an actual part of them. Especially if they haven’t lived with the child throughout their entire marriage. If he did he would haven’t have said what was quoted.
2) Nonna speaks of the changes in the parent/child relationships over the years; stating that "Oh Jozzie, tings these days are so bad because you can get away with anyting. But tings those days were so bad because you got away wit nuting" (p. 75).
How is this applicable to your own life? Compare and contrast your parents' disciplinary actions with that of your grandparents. How are they the same? How are they different?
My parents’ disciplinary actions are the same as my grandparents. They usually tell me that when they were young and did anything bad, the punishment is harsher than what we would get today. It was either hitting or screaming. Nowadays it’s usually just a talk, which never goes beyond that. This is because of how my parents and my grandparents lived in a time where everything was tough. They didn’t have the technology and things that made their live simple. My dad told me that when he quitted school when he was in year ten because of how poor the family was. After that he started to do farming in other to help the family.
(J.T)
1. Michael Andretti is an atypical stereotypical father in that he doesn’t wish to have his own daughter in his life and clearly states his feelings when he says, “I don’t want her” (p65).in my opinion this is because he isn’t ready for a child,, he has lived his life for nearly two decades without children and suddenly, there’s Josie, but he isn’t ready for her in his life. But Michael goes on to make an ignorant comment, “It's too late. Seventeen year-olds don't need fathers", which only exemplifies the fact that he isn’t ready to be a father and that he knows little about the role of a father. Josie also isn’t ready to accept Michael into her life as a father as she has large amount resentment towards him for leaving and hurting her mother and furthermore herself. Michael Andretti’s role as a father is a rather complicated one.
ReplyDelete2. This is applicable in my own life in that children get much more freedom growing up than they used to, me being a prime example of that. Simply coming home from school and relaxing, doing whatever, even doing my homework or study, is completely different to what my Dad had growing up. For my dad school was ‘time off’, from the moment my dad got home he would be working until dinner and that’s another example of the changes over the years, what was on the table was what there was, if you didn’t eat it you went hungry, there was no getting snacks after dinner to compensate the forgone dinner. When my dad woke up, at 5:00am he would have to go round up the horses amongst other jobs until he left for school. And so my dad had it hard, my grandparents expected this from him and didn’t tolerate any complaining. Now my workload is much less and I get paid for doing just a fraction of what he had to do and I get away with allot more.
Question 1: Michael first states to Christina "I don't want her" but feeling guilty he states that because Josie is a young women, 17 yrs of age the time for a father has passed, this being a logical statement i would say he is typical in the way that he is frightened at the prospect of taking up his rightful place as father, which he has neglected over a number of years.
ReplyDeleteQuestion 2: Nonna's statement screams out the truth as Josie comes to terms with the past and the present. In terms of discipline, order and structure, the current generation lack very badly. Cultural beliefs and Religion also is a important factor when it comes to us children. Although the older generation may be more orderly and courteous, reasons behind the mischief and bad behavior of the current generation is that the parents having gone through tough upbringing they do not want their children to experience the same so they look onto other means of upbringing. However, i believe that is not the way to go, for example my parents are very strict and there means of punishment may or may not shock you but i can tell you it is painful.